CIU weapon balance program - Part 4: Photon Swarm

Sounds like a plan to me

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Me: sees that topic was opened and that photon will probably be rebalanced
Also me: image

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Or you could wait for IA to state the actual changes instead of speculatingā€¦

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IA: destroying weapon charts circa 2018-2020

All I want is to get more visibilty, otherwise my poor BX is gonna self-destruct. This rebalance is perhaps the most hype-inducing one for me lol (yes my favourite weapon is photon dont judge me pls)

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Speculating and essentially repeating what the original post says.

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Iā€™m not sure if the firerate changes will be possible since the game treats this as ā€œfire every 0.0X secondsā€

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Photon Swarm might be my new favorite weapon after thisā€¦

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Iā€™ve added a limited homing ability. This is something Iā€™ve wanted to put in the game since CI3, but technical limitations prevented me from doing so. The main issues were that deforming is very expensive and that that homing projectiles require a lot of network bandwidth. Luckily, CIU doesnā€™t have multiplayer games (yet), so letā€™s sweep that problem under the rug for now.

The main problem was incorporating the strong projectiles mixed in with the weak projectiles, because combined with the increased fire rate made the DPS curve shoot way up for the last few levels. So I had to temper that by increasing the fire rate inverse-quadratically rather than linearly (so most of the increase happens in the earlier power levels, and less in the later ones because those are also helped by the strong projectile mix-in).

Anyway, this meant that most of the suggestions above arenā€™t applicable any longer and I eventually decided to work on a clean slate. Other points:

  • Itā€™s perfectly fine to have better manual performance at low power levels, but as the auto fire rate rises, auto takes over. This is intended.
  • The problem with any auto-firing weapon is that it canā€™t be boosted by manual fire at high power levels (such as e.g. Utensil or Neutron can). So you have to give it some extra DPS to compensate, but without making it overwhelmingly better than auto Utensil/Neutron. In other words, trying to balance it against manual Utensil or Neutron will make it vastly superior to any other auto DPS. And, believe it or not, auto is how 90% of non-expert players play.
  • Iā€™m uncertain about how much homing ability ā€œis worthā€ during actual gameplay (i.e., how much DPS players would be willing to sacrifice to have that ability). Try it out and let me know.

Changes made in v.47:

  • Projectiles home-in on targets (strong projectile has greater homing ability).
  • Heat generated and firing rate now follow inverse-quadratic rather than linear progression.
  • Power level 3 is now equivalent between auto and manual fire.
  • Overheat time @ power 10 increased to 10 s (from 3.8s)
  • Projectile damage: 100/170
  • Strong projectile appearance: 10% @ 6, 20% @ 7, 30% @ 8, 40% @ 9, 50% @ 10, 100% @ 20.
  • 25% thinner weaker projectiles, 15% thinner strong projectiles
  • Projectiles are now more translucent

Heat (0-10 power): 0.100 0.085 0.072 0.060 0.050 0.042 0.034 0.029 0.025 0.023 0.022 0.022
Firing (auto) period (in s): 0.250 0.212 0.178 0.147 0.121 0.099 0.081 0.067 0.057 0.051 0.049 0.049

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Are the stronger projectiles on lvl <20 colored orange?

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Yes they are maybe.

Yesā€¦

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Shame. No more excitement from hitting max power levelā€¦

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The problem with Photon Swarmā€™s first 5 levels at present isnā€™t all that related to having its manual fire rate be higher. Take Hypergun for example. Its manual fire rate is higher on early power levels, but when you take a powerup, you get some sort of upgrade - a new projectile, an improvement to an existing projectile, etc.

Photon Swarm only had an automatic fire rate boost, and thatā€™s the problem Galba was talking about. I propose 2 solutions.

  1. What do you think of having the manual fire rate upgrade along with the automatic fire rate, kind of like with Corn Shotgun, but manual stops at 3/5 (whatever you think better)?

  2. Having projectile upgrades of some sort from 0-3?
    This one might already be implemented I didnā€™t read everything carefully now. I have in the past but not at present. So I will. And I might remove this.

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Variable manual rate is a bad idea from a user experience perspective.

Besides, it only affects power levels 0-2 now. Hardly worth bothering with.

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I mean, how often are we excited after doing that for the thousandth time already, knowing the outcome every time? If I understand correctly, the new photons will jump from 50% strongs to 100% strongs on max power, which is still quite an impact IMO.

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Iā€™m just talking about visuals. Iā€™m all for balanced weapons, but I prefer if they can get powered up visually after lvl 20.

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Why? Corn shotgun is like this and I havenā€™t heard any complains about this particular characteristic of this weapon.

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Huh. Well, Iā€™d forgotten about that. This was done to limit the otherwise excessive amount of DPS as the power level rises. Thereā€™s no such problem with the Photon because manual is only advantageous in low power levels.

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