Overdrive for Hypergun

[GgWw1175]

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This means that for someone who can’t use overdrive effectively (e.g. newcomers), the manual weapons would clearly be a worse choice. But I can live with that.

I have a question. Why couldn’t you have lived with that when manual was still a thing?

If you balanced weapons by max fire rate, you would have the same issue as you describe here but with manual fire instead: for someone who can’t use manual effectively, the manual weapons would clearly be a worse choice. This is something that you really wanted to avoid (hence the initial idea of auto to auto balancing), so what about this? Why is this suddenly okay?

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but you’ve gone full circle here. You found a solution to a problem, then managed to twist it into causing that same exact problem again.

I’m going to restate this again: the point of WBP was to make all weapons equally useful. Even if overdrive doesn’t necessarily give you a long term benefit (and disregarding the fact that the short term benefit is massive in some situations e.g. allowing you to completely cheese Hend Game), it still allows for more flexibility. Which is an advantage.

The nice thing about overdrive right now is that it gives the player a choice how to use their weapon based on the situation. And I see absolutely no reason to keep it exclusive to just a few weapons or to balance it away (at this point you may as well remove it). Other than doing it “because yes”. Which, to me, appears to quite well explain your dedication for doing exactly what we proposed not to do.
If you knew overdrive would cause this problem why didn’t you just do as galbatorix proposed: give Ion/Laser/Nautron/Utensil their manual fire rates (6,67 / 0,150) as their automatic fire rates?

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P.S. Alternatively, we could increase the overdrive to something ridiculous e.g. +100%, but make heat increase disproportionately so that you could only use it for 1-2 seconds at most (and afterwards you’d have to suffer extended downtime). That would make it appropriate only for certain situations (e.g. stopping player-homing enemies, or preventing an enemy from leaving the screen, or getting to a key drop faster) rather than a general-purpose crutch.

Or you could just implement the reactor-based duration/cooldown that we’ve been yapping on about for a good while now. Give reactors more of a use and diminish the consequences of giving overdrive to weapons like Corn and Boron without making overdrive completely OTT like you’re proposing here.

For some reason I have a feeling that you didn’t actually extensively playtest every weapon with overdrive. Maybe that’s why you have some kind of weird preconceived notion that it should only apply to former manuals? I don’t know, I’m just speculating.

Anyway, I’m going to log out of this forum for a few days, because I keep getting tempted to continue this despite the fact that I should’ve ditched this nonsense when WBP 2.0 officially died. I already finished my part of the job, anyway. Whether or not it ultimately ends up amounting to anything is up to you.