CIU rebalance ideas

[anon27929001]

Oh, damn, you’re right. I didn’t notice that. Will include that instead, thanks

[marksam123]

You’re welcome.

[Sammarald]

It’s also worth mentioning regarding the Space Race that you also have to buy a lot of Speedy Recoveries now

[Akemisora]

Well, robocat’s idea is very very overbuffing the chicken multiplicity

[marksam123]

lol Ikr. I only said cowards and armored chickens and assassin/berserk chicks tho.

[Sufi]

Like I said once, it’d be easier and fairer to disable special weapons and other perishables on space races altogether. Or maybe give 3 mines or missiles to every single player in the first wave in case getting rid of special weapons entirely would make them tedious.

[Akemisora]

Yes, and in the description can say “We’re in hurry, so no time for prepraration!”

[anon27929001]

Included it in the post.

[Stardrone]

Am I the only one who finds bosses hard at 100% SSH?

@anon27929001

Early phases should have less health, while the later phases should have more, so that the bullet hell part doesn’t last for 5 seconds only

This is chicken invaders not a bullet hell!

And because coherence is a thing you also want that:

@anon27929001

The yolk’s speed should be decreased a little because bombers

I mean…
You want an easy boss phase nerfed (ok… I can stand that you suggested to add terminators in phase 2 too) but buffing an already strong boss making it almost unbeatable with bombers?

In my opinion bosses are fine the way they are right now. New new skill levels are foreshadowed.

If bosses get…

@anon27929001

…Reverted to their 10.1 state…

…now (with SSH the hardest skill), how will they get buffed even more?

Summary

Why fake quoting is still a thing? Still…
I used this “feature” without chainging the meaning of the original intent… forgive me

I understand that some players are way more skilled than me but in my opinion “there is a time and a place for everything… but not now”

Also (little off topic that still is in the topic) as far as difficulties goes Terraria handles difficulty levels in a way chicken invaders should try in future updates: in expert (and the upcoming master) mode both enemies and bosses gets a-lot-better-AI and more attacks.

Some of your boss buffs (Like Henperor apprentice’s) are really well done and I would like to see them in the game, but in difficulties harder than superstar hero.

The difficulty spike in universe is still the widest in the history of the series and harder missions are way harder than ROTY was.

I don’t want chicken invaders to be turned into “Bullet hen”

[anon27929001]

None of these have to be for ssh+100% difficulty specifically. They could be for the max possible difficulty with the upcoming highest skill level+100% difficulty, I’d be perfectly fine with that.

[TheGreatestRoman]

certainly good ideas overall but

@anon27929001

Or just reduce their health to that of regular barriers.

that was how the first versions had it due to it being like that in the main series as well but it makes a lot of waves like do not cross and lethal connections too easy if you destroy them so i’m more with the infinite health idea

[Kylo-Hen]

WARNING: Text wall incoming. Grab yourself a cup of tea or a box of popcorn or something before continuing.

@anon27929001

The first problem are barriers. Not the ones with normal amounts of health, however. Rather the ones with 10x more HP. These are the ones in waves like Weakest Link, Lethal Connections, Do Not Cross - you name it.

Agreed. Also, like I posted in another topic discussing this:

@anon27929001

Space Race. Or rather the need to crash into bosses and the lack of power-ups that would let you get back what you lost in this specific challenge.

Also agreed - Space Race is pretty awfully broken at the moment.

@anon27929001

Ability to use two attacks at the same time. Perhaps also let it use its orange laser every time you get in its line of sight. Maybe just one of these is enough, I dunno.

More keen on the second idea, myself.

@anon27929001

Pairs of knives are replaced with 5 knives that are spread out at extremely high difficulties. The lower the difficulty, the less knives there will be.

I’d prefer to see tweaks to the speed that the knives fly through the air.

@anon27929001

An additional projectile is added that is always aimed at the player. It’s always fired at half the fire rate of the regular waste. A slight zoom out might be needed, but I’m not completely sure. Kinda hard to balance this considering the projectiles are random, and the screen isn’t zoomed out at all.

I think it would be cool if the rate that it fires projectiles increases as it’s health decreases. So toward the end of the fight it’s just spraying projectiles everywhere, to the point where if you don’t destroy it fast it will almost definitely hit you.

@anon27929001

Chicken Multiplicity

Chicken Multiplicity is fine atm, in my opinion. I know it’s not a popular opinion - but I feel like it works quite well.

@anon27929001

Space Crab 2.0

Again, I actually lose a life to this one more frequently than I’d like to admit on higher difficulties.

@anon27929001

Henperor’s apprentice

I think the lasers should alternate between moving clockwise and counter-clockwise, so you have to keep in mind which way they went last time.
A lightsaber would be cool but it’s almost too much of a change in my opinion.

@anon27929001

UCO

I think semi-randomizing the loadout of UCO would be cool to see.

@anon27929001

Sweater chicken:
The clothes can now kill you. Because why not?

Fully agree, though it would need to be across all difficulties.

@anon27929001

Show 'em who’s boss!

With the wrong weapons you can be toast in this wave, I think it’s alright.

@anon27929001

Early phases should have less health, while the later phases should have more, so that the bullet hell part doesn’t last for 5 seconds only.

I’d actually like to see it cleverly merged with the CI4 Mother-Hen ship (for a few reasons) - but that’s a significant overhaul and belongs in it’s own topic, so I’ll do that.

@anon27929001

Well, its second phase could use a buff because it’s kind of just…there. Perhaps let it constantly spawn terminators? They would spawn near the place where the yolk is, so the player can’t just get screwed over by an off-screen terminator easily.

I’d rather have them come in from off-screen, but sure.

@anon27929001

Super Chick

I liked @OneWingLunarian’s recent proposed changes for this one.

@anon27929001

1.Replace egg barriers with lvl4 barriers. Egg barriers just last longer than the lvl3 barriers, and spam firepower way more. They don’t really make the fight that hard.
2.Give apple core a spread-fire machine gun. Basically 3 bullets at once instead of just 1, same fire rate.

Again, I feel like this boss is only weak because the current viable weapons are good for it - once some of the others get buffed I’m not convinced it will still be weak.

@anon27929001

Planetary egg-city:
Fires a constant stream of green projectiles, only stopping when red instant lasers are active(not when the warning lines appear. only when the lasers are actually active).

Or we could make it spawn more deadly chick types…? Beserks and Assassins would be nice to see.

@anon27929001

Iron Chef

I also feel like it’s fine (other than the ramming issue you mentioned)

@anon27929001

Egg Cannon

I keep coming back to this, but I honestly feel like stronger chicken types would fix this entirely.

@anon27929001

As for the new ciu bosses?

I think they’re fine atm.

@anon27929001

Bullet spray expanders and condensers:
Are these really worth being a perishable? These should have a much greater effect, and they should be hardpoint(or at least regular mountables).

Agree that they should be much much cheaper. Same for thrust vector and invulnerability extension.

@anon27929001

Strobe lights and laser scope

Laser price cut is good, strobe should stay cosmetic in my opinion.
But the sooner they become re-colourable the better.

@anon27929001

And lastly…music and background prices. Why are they so…different? I can understand a special track like the anniversary one costing more, but I don’t understand why the title theme of ci5 would cost so much more compared to the chapter themes, for example.

This doesn’t really bother me. Main themes/boss themes are more memorable, and therefore should be more expensive.

@Sammarald

It’s also worth mentioning regarding the Space Race that you also have to buy a lot of Speedy Recoveries now

Why is Speedy Recovery even a thing, it seems so unnecessary…

@Sufi

Like I said once, it’d be easier and fairer to disable special weapons and other perishables on space races altogether. Or maybe give 3 mines or missiles to every single player in the first wave in case getting rid of special weapons entirely would make them tedious.

Full support.

@Stardrone

Am I the only one who finds bosses hard at 100% SSH?

Well, some of them are definitely worse than others, but I think you’re right that a lot of people are overestimating how hard they should be. I’m not a huge fan of the recent Mysterious Ship changes, myself, for that very reason. Some bosses (like Hend Game/Egg Cannon) should definitely be stronger, but plenty are fine as-is, so I agree.

@Stardrone

The difficulty spike in universe is still the widest in the history of the series and harder missions are way harder than ROTY was.

@Stardrone

New new skill levels are foreshadowed.

I think people overlook these facts a lot, and its a good point to raise. Many people here are, like the best CI players at all, and the idea that SSH (which is only the third highest difficulty) needs to be a super crazy challenge for those people does kind of overlook the audience of the game.

The highest difficulty should be absolutely crazy, I agree. But SSH should just be, like, decently hard, which I feel (other than a few exceptions) it already is.

@TheGreatestRoman

that was how the first versions had it due to it being like that in the main series as well but it makes a lot of waves like do not cross and lethal connections too easy if you destroy them so i’m more with the infinite health idea

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[Tailsko_COTDS]

@anon27929001

The clothes can now kill you. Because why not?

I don’t know if this can do more harder, what if attack with láser eggs (Sorry i dont remenber the name)

[anon48763505]

@Tailsko_COTDS

láser eggs

You mean that purple-ish ion?

[Tailsko_COTDS]

So is

[anon27929001]

@Kylo-Hen

The highest difficulty should be absolutely crazy, I agree. But SSH should just be, like, decently hard, which I feel (other than a few exceptions) it already is.

Again, I’d be perfectly fine with that. None of these have to be changed to current max difficulty+ssh. These changes could very well be max difficulty+hardest upcoming skill(which is not going to be just a 10% increase, by the way), which will probably push the difficulty over 200%, and I believe these kind of changes are very appropriate for that.
I’ll edit the post now to include this so people will keep that in mind when replying

[anon48763505]

If Sweater Chicken’s clothes can kill you, does it mean Absolver Beam and special weapons can destroy it?

[anon27929001]

Not sure, but since that thing can destroy everything…I guess?

[marksam123]

I’m sure it can.